Peter Osah is a Fullstack Software Engineer, Technical Writer, and a Biochemist & Bioinformatics Enthusiast. He joins the show to talk about his article, " Bootstrap your next Preact application with Bun". He begins by giving the listeners an introduction to Bun and its advantages. 

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of React Roundup. I will be your host today, Paige Niedringhaus, and I am joined by our panelists, TJ Vantol.

 

TJ VanToll:

Hey everybody.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

and Jack Harrington.

 

Jack Herrington:

Hello there, everybody. I don't know if you're aware of

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

And

 

Jack Herrington:

that, man, but okay.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

our special guest today is Peter Osa. Peter, welcome to React Roundup.

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah, hi everyone. Yeah, nice, it's nice being here.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

So Peter, before we dive into today's topic, maybe you could tell our listeners a little about yourself, who you are, what you do, why you're famous, and what we're going to be talking about.

 

Peter Osa:

Okay, yeah. Hello everyone. Yeah, so I'm Peter. So yeah, so I'm software engineer, kind of based in like Nigeria, Lagos. So I kind of, I'm a full stack engineer, but I kind of focus more on the front end because my experiences kind of span to the front end. Yeah, so I've been, due to my experiences, I've kind of worked a lot frameworks, React, Vue, Angular, as well. Yeah. and so on. Yeah. So, yeah, recently I work at Moneypoint, Inc. Just at the UK. So, I kind of work as the front-end engineer for a team. So, we are divided into certain teams. So, yeah, kind of like the lead front-end engineer of my team. So, what we do is just to build modules for certain features on the app. So, the app was kind of built with the I think Angular app actually,

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Thank you.

 

Peter Osa:

so to render it on a web view on a Flutter application. So yeah, so I'm actually working on maintaining that for that. So I also worked on the, there's also a React app on the company, the admin section where I worked on as well. Yeah, so generally, I just basically, I just gather other front-end developers in the team as well to do stuff. I also delegate tasks to them as well. And also kind of do. or the taxes, like taxes as well. Yeah, so I think it's just all about me there, but let me just go to my hobby. Yeah, I kind of an anime fan kind of, like I love animes. I love them, like yeah, so much. And then I love like movies, yeah. Like you said, Star Trek, I'm actually like

 

Jack Herrington:

Ha ha ha

 

Peter Osa:

the Star Wars derivative, yeah. Like I love Star Wars like so

 

Jack Herrington:

Ha ha ha

 

Peter Osa:

much.

 

TJ VanToll:

I'm sorry.

 

Peter Osa:

So that can, yeah. So I'm a Star Wars fan and yeah, that's about it basically. So hobbies also include, I love traveling, love reading documentaries. Yeah, like

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Mm-hmm.

 

Peter Osa:

watching like horror and documentary stories like, oh, kind of, I don't know, these kind of weird stories about maybe cases and so on. I don't know, maybe we've seen, yeah, things like that. Yeah, so that's basically it. Yeah.

 

Jack Herrington:

Very cool.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Well, in addition to what you're doing as a front end developer at your full time job, you've done a lot of technical writing, is that correct?

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah, so the idea of technical writing actually came from the fact that, yeah, I discovered that, okay, I do a lot of stuff at where I work and I just wanted to actually kind of share a lot of things that I've learned and come across. So I had to just start creating like a profile on writing. So I think my first write-up was on a serverless stuff like FounderDB and I had to to help me publish that. So I think that was just the beginning from there. So once I got there, man, then I got into other publications, I started sharing articles, and so on. So to me, actually, it became like something like a hobby, something I love doing.

 

Jack Herrington:

Hmm.

 

Peter Osa:

So yeah, despite my full-time work, because I was kinda like, I'm mostly occupied, but I just squeeze out time to do it, yeah.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

That's fantastic. I mean, that's, I think, the reason that a lot of people get into it is they just learn interesting things at work and they want to help others as well as help their future selves. Because I know I've written a lot of stuff that I end up referencing back

 

Jack Herrington:

Right?

 

Peter Osa:

exactly

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

in

 

Jack Herrington:

Go

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

the future.

 

Jack Herrington:

back and

 

Peter Osa:

exactly

 

Jack Herrington:

like, oh, who wrote

 

Peter Osa:

exactly

 

Jack Herrington:

that? Oh, wow. I did. Yeah.

 

Peter Osa:

like

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Exactly.

 

Peter Osa:

like yeah you just like when I reference my archive like I wrote something so yeah just an archive maybe if I forgot something just put this yeah oh you put this yeah it's actually nice for just the collection if you want to you collect something you've forgotten and you've written about it it's really

 

Jack Herrington:

Mm-hmm.

 

Peter Osa:

nice yeah

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

That's

 

Peter Osa:

so that's

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

awesome.

 

Peter Osa:

all.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

So, before we started recording today, you were telling us that you recently wrote an article about Bun. And

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

it would be great if you could give listeners who haven't heard of Bun, or it's been a while since Bun has been in the highlights and the news. So maybe you could give them a quick overview of what it is and then what you in particular dove into with it.

 

Peter Osa:

All right, sounds cool. Yeah, so, yeah, so burn is kind of like a new runtime, right? It's a runtime. Now, most times, usually when I define it this way, people will be like, oh, what's a runtime, kind of, because it's kind of very confusing. So a runtime is just like an environment where setting a code is executed in, right? So just like for JavaScript, JavaScript initially was executed in the browser. So thanks to a lot of like... engines created V8, then they came on Safari, some JavaScript call, and there's also Spider Monkey from Mozilla, and so on. So they were able to work on the browser, that kind of thing, but yeah, so I think the turning point for JavaScript was when Node.js came out. So I think that was the point where it was being abstracted from, was moved from the browser to that. does move out of the browser kind of. So it became very much efficient for building server side applications. Basically everything, anything you want to build. I think now in node 20, there's a, yeah, you can actually create like executable files now with JavaScript.

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah,

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah,

 

Jack Herrington:

they're

 

Peter Osa:

it's

 

Jack Herrington:

massive,

 

Peter Osa:

really awesome.

 

Jack Herrington:

but you can make

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah.

 

Jack Herrington:

them. Yeah.

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah, it's really, really awesome. So I think that was just the turning point for JavaScript. And due to that, it actually pushed on a lot of like innovation. Start seeing about like ES modules. They start seeing. So many stuff because of, yeah, Node just made that happen. Yeah, so usually there have been a lot of, like, yeah, like I usually say that we developer, we are kind of much concerned about improving existing systems. So yeah, Node was created, yeah, cool. We are using it, but then a lot of people started seeing pitfalls with Node. Yeah, okay, Node has, most of the time, okay, for example, you have to do a lot of configurations to do certain things like, okay, like TypeScript, for example, you just have to

 

Jack Herrington:

Mm,

 

Peter Osa:

do

 

Jack Herrington:

right.

 

Peter Osa:

this, install all the whole process. Most of the time, some of the toolings are just not in by default. You have to basically install a package, use webpack, use Babel, Parcel, any of the bundlers. I think there are new ones as well, too, RLSpack and yeah, many others, to do a lot of things. Yeah, but... That was a problem to people that wanted things to be native. Like they wanted to, oh, wow, why don't I just do this without me doing these configurations? Like I actually seen a lot of devs, like even colleagues I've worked on that, oh, today they want to create like a TypeScript project with Node and this, like this developer has his own way. Another developer has a different way. Like it's just so different. Like today... it's a different process of creating this. So that is usually an issue. And most of them were like, oh, it's because Node wasn't built in with this. So it's sort of like a pitfall. Yeah, then also they went back to the V8 engine as well, which is the main backbone of Node. They discovered that, oh, it also had some performance pitfalls as well. Okay. I think it's starting time wasn't that fast. I don't, it's not,

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Thank

 

Peter Osa:

yeah.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

you.

 

Peter Osa:

I think in comparison to other, engines. So with that, I think that brought a lot of controversy. So many people were like, oh, this is not efficient. I think even the creator of Node.js actually, at the point, actually

 

Jack Herrington:

Right, he went

 

Peter Osa:

said

 

Jack Herrington:

off

 

Peter Osa:

it sucks.

 

Jack Herrington:

and made Deno as a

 

Peter Osa:

Yes.

 

Jack Herrington:

kind of a next generation of node. So

 

Peter Osa:

Exactly.

 

Jack Herrington:

what are the advantages that you see of Bun? What got you into it? And how would I get started with it?

 

Peter Osa:

But yeah, so the advantage of bone was the, actually I'm very much concerned about the speed of bone. Like so bone actually like I've seen the charts, the performance charts and it's so amazing. I've already done one myself. I think I showed it on the day away, I had to install some like a product app with, and you could see the time difference here. So the other things like I think the way it renders WebSocket is faster than I think. and there's SQLite which also works with that as well. And the fact that it also has most of these features like things you have to configure with a node like with Webpack, it has it out of the box like TypeScript and GXX is just out of the box. You don't need any configuration. So I think that was just one of the, that was one of a few of the really awesome things that Bon can do because. There's so many developers that are kind of lazy. They don't want to start doing configurations. Like most of

 

Jack Herrington:

Hehehe

 

Peter Osa:

the time, you're like, yeah, a configuration is like the, is the worst part of the apps. Not even building the app, it's just thinking of how to do the configuration. Yeah, so, and then

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

It is.

 

Peter Osa:

the speed as well. Yeah, the speed as well. So considering, okay, okay, maybe if you're staying in a place where the network connection is not as fast as, you may not want something as fast as possible to get

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Mm-hmm.

 

Peter Osa:

things working. Yeah. So I think that's just some of the advantages that bone profiles, yeah. And also the fact that it actually uses JavaScript core like as the engine. So, and they've been a lot of very good reviews about it as well. Well, it's start up time is actually faster than V8 and so many, yeah, I think that's the one I actually look for like, yeah, for sure that yeah, it starts up time is faster, but yeah. Yeah, I think basically it's still just overall good. And I see a future with bone kind of, yeah. I don't know whether it's made over to know that a lot of people say like, oh,

 

Jack Herrington:

Ha ha

 

Peter Osa:

it's

 

Jack Herrington:

ha!

 

Peter Osa:

just, yes, I doubt because not this kind of like revolutionary, I don't think anything can just tweet about like, I doubt. But I feel maybe it could just be like, it could just be there like an alternative for people to use something that I don't want to use, no, that can use bone, that kind of thing, but not to replace it, yeah. So I think that's it.

 

TJ VanToll:

It's really interesting. I like node is notoriously slow. I mean, it's basically a meme at this point. And

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah.

 

TJ VanToll:

I, I, I mean, I hit this just yesterday. I had to set up a web app on a fresh Docker container. And I just like the NPM setup, like NPM installed was taking like five to 10 minutes. It was felt like it was downloading the internet.

 

Peter Osa:

Hehehe

 

TJ VanToll:

And, but what's crazy

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Thank you.

 

TJ VanToll:

is that like, I'm still, we're still using it. Right. Like.

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah.

 

TJ VanToll:

And most people are still using it. And it just makes me wonder when there are faster alternatives out there, because I hear good things. Dino is supposedly faster. Bun is supposedly faster. I wonder what it is that's keeping us from switching over to these, or if it's just the we're so comfortable with NPM and Node because we've been using them forever that we're just hesitant to switch over. I don't know if you have any thoughts on like Why isn't Bun completely taking over? Dino completely taking over? Like, why are so many people still using Node?

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah, I think it's just, I think it's based, personally, I think it's actually just preference. A lot of people just, some people love kind of like change, things are very different. Some people like to stick to what they know, that kind of thing. So it's not like maybe, yeah, they've seen the advantages of bone man, but there's this emotional attachment to node, unlike, no, I learned

 

Jack Herrington:

Hehehehehehe

 

Peter Osa:

this stuff for so long. I can't imagine, I've watched a lot of, I went to a lot of boot camps and. How will I just discard this for this? No, hell no, I'm following this to the end. Yeah, there are people like that. So many people, there are so many languages that, like, I don't know, I'm not bashing PHP. I think PHP is one of them, like, let me

 

Jack Herrington:

Ha

 

Peter Osa:

just push

 

Jack Herrington:

ha ha!

 

Peter Osa:

it there.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Ha ha

 

Peter Osa:

Like, cut, so yeah. So it's just, I think it's just personal preference. Some of them just love the fact that, oh, this is what they did and they just want to continue with it. But yeah, there are still others that, oh wow, they look at the benchmark, they look at everything. compare and contrast and see that, oh yeah, yeah this bone is better and then it's actually better. So I think it's preference actually, it's just preference. Maybe if there's something, maybe like a mind control machine that can just spell everyone

 

Jack Herrington:

Hahaha!

 

Peter Osa:

in your community to just, oh, everybody adopt bone, yeah maybe that will work well. I'm very much sure that even some humans will destroy the machine, I'm like no, that kind of, but yeah.

 

Jack Herrington:

I think Bun when it first came out was wasn't clearly it has been compatibility issues. I get one

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah.

 

Jack Herrington:

compatible with everything and the performance was kind of a mixed bag in some areas it was wildly more performant and then other areas it was actually worse than node and it was yeah so it was kind of this you know not 100% of a plug and play changeover I'm certainly the TypeScript with you know compatibility was awesome out of the bag. But it's kind of one of those things about the tech community where there's that first impression and if it doesn't work, people kind of

 

Peter Osa:

Exactly.

 

Jack Herrington:

they don't go back for that, that second impression. And yeah, so I think that that bun might have been gotten by that a little bit. But it's definitely it's continued on. I think it's in zero dot six now.

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah, so I think it's been like, like I've kind of monitored the wepon. There's been a lot of like push to kind of bring it back up. We did the main

 

Jack Herrington:

Well, they

 

Peter Osa:

thing.

 

Jack Herrington:

got a lot of VC money

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah,

 

Jack Herrington:

as I recall too. So there is that.

 

Peter Osa:

exactly.

 

Jack Herrington:

That's handy.

 

Peter Osa:

So there are more investments of cool.

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah.

 

Peter Osa:

So yeah, that's it. I feel, but I feel it's actually going to maybe in the next future though, I feel maybe once this performance issues of it have been taken care of. Yeah. I feel it's going to actually spring back up. Yeah, I know for it, yeah, even it supports a lot of frameworks as well. Like I for one, like when I actually use Bonface, I actually wanted to test it for view. And I found out like to my amazing shock that couldn't even support like creating a view app out of the box for it yet. So I was like, oh yeah, they have a lot of things.

 

Jack Herrington:

Uh oh.

 

Peter Osa:

They have a lot of like languages and frameworks to really put in them. They have a lot

 

Jack Herrington:

Not just

 

Peter Osa:

of performance

 

Jack Herrington:

me, I'm guessing

 

Peter Osa:

stuff to work

 

Jack Herrington:

since

 

Peter Osa:

on.

 

Jack Herrington:

I see Paige

 

Peter Osa:

But I feel

 

Jack Herrington:

moving,

 

Peter Osa:

it's still like a baby,

 

Jack Herrington:

I see TJ

 

Peter Osa:

like a child.

 

Jack Herrington:

moving.

 

Peter Osa:

It does give you

 

Jack Herrington:

I do

 

Peter Osa:

time

 

Jack Herrington:

not

 

Peter Osa:

to

 

Jack Herrington:

see

 

Peter Osa:

go. That's what I.

 

Jack Herrington:

Gatoraku moving.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Mm-mm.

 

TJ VanToll:

At least he hasn't

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

I'm

 

Jack Herrington:

Hmm.

 

TJ VanToll:

dropped.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

sorry.

 

TJ VanToll:

Hopefully.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

I'm just...

 

Jack Herrington:

Give it a second.

 

TJ VanToll:

Well, either way.

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah. Another hour. God. It was amazing.

 

Peter Osa:

Shit,

 

Jack Herrington:

Just

 

Peter Osa:

damn

 

Jack Herrington:

continue.

 

Peter Osa:

it, shit.

 

Jack Herrington:

Whoa, those guys can talk.

 

TJ VanToll:

Yeah, Paige, I had to, I dropped for a meeting, like an hour in, and I just said I had to drop.

 

Jack Herrington:

Gotta

 

TJ VanToll:

And

 

Jack Herrington:

go.

 

TJ VanToll:

I left and

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

And then you

 

TJ VanToll:

they

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

left

 

TJ VanToll:

asked

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Jack.

 

TJ VanToll:

Jack, can you go for like five or 10 more minutes? And he said, sure.

 

Jack Herrington:

Just to wrap it up. Just to wrap it up.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Oh my gosh.

 

TJ VanToll:

And I was gone,

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

I

 

Jack Herrington:

Yep.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

wonder,

 

TJ VanToll:

oh no.

 

Jack Herrington:

There

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

I

 

Jack Herrington:

you

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

wonder

 

Jack Herrington:

go.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

how long that episode is gonna turn out to be.

 

Jack Herrington:

Well, they apparently did two hours of Dan Abramov like the week before. So.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Wow.

 

Jack Herrington:

But I ain't Dan Abramov, that's for sure. So.

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, I think it's. Oh, wait.

 

Jack Herrington:

Oh wait,

 

Peter Osa:

Whoa. Yeah, that's we totally lost

 

Jack Herrington:

whoa. We totally lost

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

You're back.

 

Jack Herrington:

you there for OK.

 

Peter Osa:

you there for. Yeah. Yeah,

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

minute

 

Peter Osa:

that's

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

or two.

 

Peter Osa:

on. Yeah. So, yeah, I had some notifications. I just like said to

 

TJ VanToll:

Hey.

 

Peter Osa:

that. Hey. Yeah. But then, yeah, what I was saying, I think before my internet got off was, yeah, I feel born to be a baby. Like I feel it's kind of somehow to kind of give this expectation to a child. Yeah, or maybe you want to try

 

TJ VanToll:

You might want

 

Peter Osa:

to

 

TJ VanToll:

to

 

Peter Osa:

stop.

 

TJ VanToll:

try

 

Peter Osa:

I want

 

TJ VanToll:

turning

 

Peter Osa:

to try

 

TJ VanToll:

your

 

Peter Osa:

turning your

 

TJ VanToll:

video

 

Peter Osa:

video

 

TJ VanToll:

off to save

 

Peter Osa:

off to

 

TJ VanToll:

on

 

Peter Osa:

save

 

TJ VanToll:

bandwidth

 

Peter Osa:

on bandwidth

 

TJ VanToll:

because it's

 

Peter Osa:

because

 

TJ VanToll:

probably

 

Peter Osa:

it's probably

 

TJ VanToll:

an internet

 

Peter Osa:

an

 

TJ VanToll:

issue

 

Peter Osa:

internet

 

TJ VanToll:

and if

 

Peter Osa:

issue.

 

TJ VanToll:

you cut

 

Peter Osa:

And

 

TJ VanToll:

your

 

Peter Osa:

if you

 

TJ VanToll:

video,

 

Peter Osa:

cut your video,

 

TJ VanToll:

I think it'll,

 

Peter Osa:

I think it'll

 

TJ VanToll:

it might help.

 

Peter Osa:

it might help.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Mm-hmm.

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah,

 

TJ VanToll:

We edit

 

Peter Osa:

we

 

TJ VanToll:

this

 

Peter Osa:

edit

 

TJ VanToll:

so

 

Peter Osa:

this. So

 

TJ VanToll:

hopefully you're

 

Peter Osa:

hopefully

 

TJ VanToll:

hearing

 

Peter Osa:

you're

 

TJ VanToll:

that.

 

Peter Osa:

hearing that. Yeah, can you hear me? Is it better? Yeah. Can you hear me? Okay. Yeah.

 

TJ VanToll:

man.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

is bad.

 

TJ VanToll:

Where?

 

Jack Herrington:

How long was the lag on that? That

 

Peter Osa:

on

 

Jack Herrington:

was

 

Peter Osa:

that

 

Jack Herrington:

like a

 

Peter Osa:

that

 

Jack Herrington:

30

 

Peter Osa:

was like

 

Jack Herrington:

second

 

Peter Osa:

a 30

 

Jack Herrington:

lag.

 

Peter Osa:

second lag yeah but can you hear me now? I don't know

 

TJ VanToll:

We can

 

Peter Osa:

if

 

TJ VanToll:

hear

 

Peter Osa:

you can

 

TJ VanToll:

you, but

 

Peter Osa:

hear

 

TJ VanToll:

there's

 

Peter Osa:

you

 

TJ VanToll:

an

 

Peter Osa:

but there's

 

TJ VanToll:

absolutely

 

Peter Osa:

an absolutely

 

TJ VanToll:

enormous

 

Peter Osa:

enormous

 

TJ VanToll:

amount of

 

Peter Osa:

amount

 

TJ VanToll:

lag.

 

Peter Osa:

of lag

 

TJ VanToll:

So I think we're

 

Peter Osa:

so I

 

TJ VanToll:

going

 

Peter Osa:

think

 

Jack Herrington:

Hahaha

 

TJ VanToll:

to.

 

Peter Osa:

we're gonna oh yeah I felt

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

I was shorter

 

Peter Osa:

internet

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

there.

 

Peter Osa:

issues

 

Jack Herrington:

That was like 10 seconds,

 

Peter Osa:

but

 

Jack Herrington:

yeah.

 

Peter Osa:

um yeah

 

TJ VanToll:

We.

 

Jack Herrington:

Oh my

 

Peter Osa:

we

 

Jack Herrington:

god.

 

Peter Osa:

oh my god this is really bad we we're

 

TJ VanToll:

We're hearing

 

Peter Osa:

we're

 

TJ VanToll:

ourselves

 

Peter Osa:

hearing ourselves

 

TJ VanToll:

through,

 

Peter Osa:

through

 

TJ VanToll:

like, I don't know,

 

Peter Osa:

like

 

TJ VanToll:

you

 

Peter Osa:

I don't

 

TJ VanToll:

might

 

Peter Osa:

know

 

TJ VanToll:

wanna

 

Peter Osa:

you

 

TJ VanToll:

check

 

Peter Osa:

might want

 

TJ VanToll:

again

 

Peter Osa:

to check

 

TJ VanToll:

what

 

Peter Osa:

again what

 

TJ VanToll:

headphones

 

Peter Osa:

headphones

 

TJ VanToll:

you have configured

 

Peter Osa:

you have configured

 

TJ VanToll:

because we're

 

Peter Osa:

because

 

TJ VanToll:

hearing,

 

Peter Osa:

we're hearing uh

 

TJ VanToll:

we're getting feedback

 

Peter Osa:

we're getting feedback

 

TJ VanToll:

and an echo

 

Peter Osa:

and an

 

TJ VanToll:

from

 

Peter Osa:

echo

 

TJ VanToll:

your

 

Peter Osa:

from

 

TJ VanToll:

side.

 

Peter Osa:

your side oh okay voice better now like can you hear me

 

TJ VanToll:

So make sure you have your headphones

 

Peter Osa:

you have your headphones

 

TJ VanToll:

plugged in

 

Peter Osa:

plugged

 

TJ VanToll:

and it's,

 

Peter Osa:

in and it's

 

TJ VanToll:

oh,

 

Peter Osa:

oh yeah

 

TJ VanToll:

yes.

 

Peter Osa:

yes yeah

 

Jack Herrington:

Wow!

 

Peter Osa:

you can hear me oh wow

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah,

 

Peter Osa:

okay

 

Jack Herrington:

that was much different.

 

Peter Osa:

yeah so

 

Jack Herrington:

but I

 

Peter Osa:

yeah

 

Jack Herrington:

still got

 

Peter Osa:

sorry

 

Jack Herrington:

the

 

Peter Osa:

about

 

Jack Herrington:

wicked

 

Peter Osa:

that

 

Jack Herrington:

echo

 

Peter Osa:

wicked

 

Jack Herrington:

on your

 

Peter Osa:

echo

 

Jack Herrington:

side.

 

Peter Osa:

on your

 

Jack Herrington:

Holy

 

Peter Osa:

side

 

Jack Herrington:

moly.

 

Peter Osa:

holy moly whoa that's strange I think I Okay.

 

TJ VanToll:

Let's make sure

 

Peter Osa:

Let's

 

TJ VanToll:

that

 

Peter Osa:

make sure

 

TJ VanToll:

we're

 

Peter Osa:

that

 

TJ VanToll:

still

 

Peter Osa:

we're

 

TJ VanToll:

not

 

Peter Osa:

still

 

TJ VanToll:

hearing

 

Peter Osa:

not hearing

 

TJ VanToll:

echo

 

Peter Osa:

echo

 

TJ VanToll:

so that we can

 

Peter Osa:

so that

 

TJ VanToll:

talk

 

Peter Osa:

we

 

TJ VanToll:

for

 

Peter Osa:

can

 

TJ VanToll:

a

 

Peter Osa:

talk

 

TJ VanToll:

second,

 

Peter Osa:

for a second.

 

TJ VanToll:

because I'm still

 

Peter Osa:

Cause I'm still hearing,

 

TJ VanToll:

hearing the feedback,

 

Peter Osa:

hearing the feedback,

 

TJ VanToll:

the echo from

 

Peter Osa:

the

 

TJ VanToll:

your

 

Peter Osa:

echo

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

me too.

 

TJ VanToll:

side.

 

Peter Osa:

from your side. Yeah. Let me see.

 

TJ VanToll:

That usually

 

Peter Osa:

That

 

TJ VanToll:

happens

 

Peter Osa:

usually

 

TJ VanToll:

if

 

Peter Osa:

happens

 

TJ VanToll:

you don't

 

Peter Osa:

if

 

TJ VanToll:

have,

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Thank

 

Peter Osa:

you

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

you.

 

Peter Osa:

don't have,

 

TJ VanToll:

either don't

 

Peter Osa:

either

 

TJ VanToll:

have headphones

 

Peter Osa:

don't have headphones

 

TJ VanToll:

plugged in or

 

Peter Osa:

plugged

 

TJ VanToll:

if you

 

Peter Osa:

in

 

TJ VanToll:

don't

 

Peter Osa:

or

 

TJ VanToll:

have

 

Peter Osa:

if you don't

 

TJ VanToll:

them,

 

Peter Osa:

have them,

 

TJ VanToll:

if your audio

 

Peter Osa:

if your

 

TJ VanToll:

output

 

Peter Osa:

audio

 

TJ VanToll:

is coming

 

Peter Osa:

output

 

TJ VanToll:

through

 

Peter Osa:

is

 

TJ VanToll:

like

 

Peter Osa:

coming

 

TJ VanToll:

a speaker

 

Peter Osa:

through like a

 

TJ VanToll:

rather

 

Peter Osa:

speaker

 

TJ VanToll:

than your

 

Peter Osa:

rather

 

TJ VanToll:

headphones.

 

Peter Osa:

than your headphones. Yes, so it's coming from, okay. Okay. Yeah, can you hear me better now? I don't know if it's still echoing.

 

Jack Herrington:

Yes?

 

Peter Osa:

Yes. Yeah, it's still echoing.

 

TJ VanToll:

We're

 

Jack Herrington:

But

 

TJ VanToll:

still,

 

Jack Herrington:

it's echoing.

 

Peter Osa:

We're still like,

 

TJ VanToll:

we hear

 

Peter Osa:

we

 

TJ VanToll:

you

 

Peter Osa:

hear

 

TJ VanToll:

fine,

 

Peter Osa:

you fine,

 

TJ VanToll:

but we hear

 

Peter Osa:

but

 

TJ VanToll:

ourselves

 

Peter Osa:

we hear ourselves

 

TJ VanToll:

through your

 

Peter Osa:

through

 

TJ VanToll:

audio.

 

Peter Osa:

your audio. Oh, to my audio. Okay.

 

TJ VanToll:

and

 

Peter Osa:

And

 

TJ VanToll:

we weren't doing

 

Peter Osa:

we weren't

 

TJ VanToll:

that before.

 

Peter Osa:

doing that before.

 

TJ VanToll:

So if you go into

 

Peter Osa:

So if

 

TJ VanToll:

your

 

Peter Osa:

you go

 

TJ VanToll:

settings,

 

Peter Osa:

into your settings,

 

TJ VanToll:

maybe see

 

Peter Osa:

maybe

 

TJ VanToll:

what you

 

Peter Osa:

see

 

TJ VanToll:

have configured.

 

Peter Osa:

what you have configured. Yeah. So yeah, I'm on this setting, I'm seeing echo cancellation and I'm unable to do that. Yeah, so I think I'm unable

 

TJ VanToll:

Uh...

 

Peter Osa:

to do that. It's kind of disabled on the app.

 

TJ VanToll:

Yeah, I think

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah,

 

TJ VanToll:

it's because

 

Peter Osa:

I think it's

 

TJ VanToll:

since

 

Peter Osa:

because

 

TJ VanToll:

we're

 

Peter Osa:

since we're

 

TJ VanToll:

actively

 

Peter Osa:

actively

 

TJ VanToll:

recording,

 

Peter Osa:

recording,

 

TJ VanToll:

you can't

 

Peter Osa:

you

 

TJ VanToll:

make

 

Peter Osa:

can't

 

TJ VanToll:

changes.

 

Peter Osa:

make changes. Yeah.

 

TJ VanToll:

But do

 

Peter Osa:

but

 

TJ VanToll:

you have the

 

Peter Osa:

do

 

TJ VanToll:

same

 

Peter Osa:

you have the same

 

TJ VanToll:

stuff configured?

 

Peter Osa:

stuff configured

 

TJ VanToll:

Because

 

Peter Osa:

because

 

TJ VanToll:

we

 

Peter Osa:

we

 

TJ VanToll:

for sure did not have

 

Peter Osa:

did

 

TJ VanToll:

this

 

Peter Osa:

not have

 

TJ VanToll:

problem

 

Peter Osa:

this problem

 

TJ VanToll:

earlier.

 

Peter Osa:

earlier? Yeah, it's the same configured stuff. been in.

 

TJ VanToll:

Do you want to try

 

Peter Osa:

You

 

TJ VanToll:

one

 

Peter Osa:

want

 

TJ VanToll:

more

 

Peter Osa:

to try

 

TJ VanToll:

time?

 

Peter Osa:

one more time?

 

TJ VanToll:

See,

 

Peter Osa:

See if

 

TJ VanToll:

I'm

 

Peter Osa:

it's

 

TJ VanToll:

still.

 

Peter Osa:

still. Yeah, let me try it one more time.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Maybe try rejoining.

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah, that works. Let me rejoin. I think that works. Okay.

 

TJ VanToll:

I mean, maybe I stop the thing so that he can make changes, but I don't.

 

Jack Herrington:

I don't know dude, I don't

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

It

 

Jack Herrington:

think

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

wasn't

 

Jack Herrington:

there's...

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

doing it before. That's the weird thing.

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah, I just wonder if you got like another browser window open or something. No, couldn't because you'd see another instance or something. I don't know.

 

TJ VanToll:

Riverseg warns you it detects that situation and

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah, that's true.

 

TJ VanToll:

it throws up something. Although I don't know if it'll, if it detects it during an active recording or not. I don't know.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

and

 

TJ VanToll:

Like it might be that it doesn't prompt you while recording to avoid annoying you. I don't know. I'm speculating.

 

Jack Herrington:

I don't know. I think if we can get this figured out pretty soon,

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

Mm-hmm.

 

Jack Herrington:

we just don't have enough

 

TJ VanToll:

Oh, hey,

 

Jack Herrington:

time

 

Peter Osa:

Check

 

Jack Herrington:

to

 

Peter Osa:

it out.

 

Jack Herrington:

make

 

TJ VanToll:

there's

 

Jack Herrington:

a

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah.

 

TJ VanToll:

the

 

Peter Osa:

Hey,

 

TJ VanToll:

warning.

 

Jack Herrington:

podcast.

 

Peter Osa:

there's the warning.

 

Jack Herrington:

There it is.

 

Peter Osa:

Can you hear

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah.

 

Peter Osa:

me better? We can.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

We can,

 

TJ VanToll:

We

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah,

 

TJ VanToll:

can-

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

but

 

Jack Herrington:

but

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

the

 

Jack Herrington:

we

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah,

 

Jack Herrington:

get

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

echo

 

Jack Herrington:

the airco

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

is

 

Peter Osa:

we'll

 

Jack Herrington:

again.

 

Peter Osa:

get

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

still

 

Peter Osa:

the echo again.

 

Paige Niedringhaus:

there.

 

TJ VanToll:

Can

 

Peter Osa:

Yeah,

 

TJ VanToll:

you

 

Peter Osa:

cool.

 

TJ VanToll:

make

 

Peter Osa:

Can

 

TJ VanToll:

sure

 

Peter Osa:

you make

 

TJ VanToll:

that you

 

Peter Osa:

sure that

 

TJ VanToll:

only

 

Peter Osa:

you

 

TJ VanToll:

have

 

Peter Osa:

only

 

TJ VanToll:

this

 

Peter Osa:

have

 

TJ VanToll:

open

 

Peter Osa:

this

 

TJ VanToll:

in

 

Peter Osa:

open

 

TJ VanToll:

one

 

Peter Osa:

in

 

TJ VanToll:

tab,

 

Peter Osa:

one tab,

 

TJ VanToll:

one window?

 

Peter Osa:

one window? Yeah, it's actually open in one window, yeah.

 

TJ VanToll:

Okay.

 

Peter Osa:

Okay. Okay. Can you hear me better? I think I don't know. Maybe

 

Jack Herrington:

We can

 

Peter Osa:

if

 

Jack Herrington:

hear

 

Peter Osa:

there is, we

 

Jack Herrington:

you

 

Peter Osa:

can

 

Jack Herrington:

just

 

Peter Osa:

hear

 

Jack Herrington:

fine.

 

Peter Osa:

you just

 

Jack Herrington:

The

 

Peter Osa:

fine.

 

Jack Herrington:

problem is the

 

Peter Osa:

The problem is

 

Jack Herrington:

echo

 

Peter Osa:

the echo

 

Jack Herrington:

and

 

Peter Osa:

and

 

Jack Herrington:

the delay.

 

Peter Osa:

the delay. The delay. Oh,

 

TJ VanToll:

I think

 

Peter Osa:

I think

 

TJ VanToll:

our

 

Peter Osa:

our,

 

TJ VanToll:

only

 

Peter Osa:

our

 

TJ VanToll:

option

 

Peter Osa:

only

 

TJ VanToll:

is

 

Peter Osa:

option

 

TJ VanToll:

to

 

Peter Osa:

is to

 

TJ VanToll:

stop the

 

Peter Osa:

stop

 

TJ VanToll:

recording

 

Peter Osa:

the recording

 

TJ VanToll:

and allow you

 

Peter Osa:

and allow

 

TJ VanToll:

to

 

Peter Osa:

you to

 

TJ VanToll:

change

 

Peter Osa:

change

 

TJ VanToll:

the settings

 

Peter Osa:

the settings

 

TJ VanToll:

because I think

 

Peter Osa:

because

 

TJ VanToll:

otherwise,

 

Peter Osa:

I think otherwise, like we can't record,

 

TJ VanToll:

we can't record

 

Peter Osa:

we can't

 

TJ VanToll:

like

 

Peter Osa:

record

 

TJ VanToll:

this.

 

Peter Osa:

like

 

TJ VanToll:

There's

 

Peter Osa:

this, there's,

 

Jack Herrington:

Yeah.

 

Peter Osa:

yeah,

 

TJ VanToll:

just

 

Peter Osa:

it's just

 

TJ VanToll:

too much

 

Peter Osa:

too

 

TJ VanToll:

echo.

 

Peter Osa:

much.