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AiA 207: Ilya Bodrov and Roman Kutanov: "What It Is, and Why You Should Use It. Angular Use-Cases in Startups"

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Published : Sep 18, 2018

Duration : 54 Minutes

Show Notes

Panel:

Charles Max Wood
John Papa
Ward Bell

Special Guests: Ilya Bodrov & Roman Kutanov

In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Ilya and Roman. Ilya is a professor, writer, and developer. Roman is a cofounder, and a CEO, of a small startup company. Roman is making an application for small businesses, and he also was a CEO of a Russian startup, too. Check-out today’s episode where the panel talks to the guests about Angular, their startup companies, Test Cafe, among others.

Show Topics:

1:20 – Guests’ backgrounds.

2:31 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Angular. In your opinion why is it a good option for startups?

2:55 – Guest: Angular is a very good choice.

3:55 – Guest: If you are not familiar with these concepts or a seasoned developer then it can be difficult and complex to get started. It really depends on what you are trying to build.

4:47 – Chuck: Once you get rolling with it then you run into limitations with it. If you need something simple and fast it’s really nice.

5:08 – Guest: Yes. Trying to find your market niche. Angular is very simple to transfer. Angular has a great community. There are some problems, and we know it. Like the whole mess with versions also...

6:27 – John: Can you elaborate a little?

6:34 – Guest: Yes, if you want to be in the latest technologies...so sometimes you get into a situation when you wan to have some libraries installed and you cannot do that. If you are on one version and this one isn’t supported, then it was a huge mess.

7:43 – Guest adds in more comments.

8:26 – Guest: Currently I have Angular 1. It is too complicated to rewrite.

8:40 – Guest adds comments.

8:57 – John: There would have to be a compelling reason for me to go to Angular 6 at this point. Going from 4 to 5 or 5 to 6 – the one feature – boy that is so amazing. To have it to update your app, and update your code then that’s awesome. If you didn’t know that a command changed then you were in trouble. I agree version control has always been a challenge.

10:20 – Guest: What I like about Angular is the community – it drives it in the right direction. They try to make it more productive and that’s what I like.

10:43 – Chuck: What is it like to run a startup?

10:56 – Guest: I started to write the application. What you see is what you get. I use Angular 1. JavaScript is a heavier language.

14:54 – Guest adds comments.

16:02 – Panelist: What kind of server are you using for your startup?

16:19 – Guest: I have Angular 1 as a backhand. The main application right now is...

17:11 – Panelist: What has the experience been like for people?

17:26 – Guest: Yes...

17:32 – Panelist: What were the benefits of using Angular?

17:40 – Guest: Angular was very helpful. The performance is much better. Important for startups is to know how to write functionality.

18:53 – Panelist: What forms were you using?

19:01 – Guest: Template driven. In Angular 1, I created “what you see is what you get.”

19:52 – Panelist: I am torn about forms. The Reactive side but you move a lot of code that doesn’t feel all that intuitive to me. There are pros and cons of each, but it’s not exactly where I want it to be. I would love to mix the 2 together. Have you dealt with validation in the forms?

21:04 – Digital Ocean’s Advertisement.

21:41 – Guest: I have an editor. I send it to the client. Each input is having some sort of validation.

23:17 – Panelist: How do you make them look good? Yeah, I can do it but how does it not look generic? Do you have a layout?

23:53 – Guest: I throw it into the screen – I try to keep it simple.

25:04 – Panelist: That makes sense. I didn’t know if there was a crossover of complexity. I want a balance between...

25:38 – Panelist: Reactive or Template driven?

25:45 – Guest makes comments. You want to have some custom checking.

26:13 – Panelist: Why was it hard?

26:21 – Guest: Not sure...I experimented a lot.

27:27 – Panelist: I gave up on Reactive. One of the killers for me was the nested components. It seemed to fall apart in my hands. It was extremely difficult. The outer form lost contact to what was going on. That was one of the biggest decisions to walk away from Reactive all together.

28:25 – Guest: Now I remember why I dropped templates.

28:44 – Panelist: Not true, but it’s doable! It’s also easy! You have to know what’s going on. Let’s change the story on this – I don’t want to hijack the podcast.

30:55 – Panelist: It makes your ears stand up. John’s objection was that he was putting a lot of stuff into HTML.

32:43 – Panelist: Every time I see some try to decorate the HTLM – no you don’t have to do that. The rules aren’t there. There are exceptions, of course, but real validation is not screen validation. Interestingly, we have written one for this application. It belongs to Marcel. This isn’t Breeze specific – maybe we an get people to working on it. For sure, even if you didn’t have this framework, you can create one on your own. It turns out that it has more models than you think it does.

34:55 – Panelist: Aside from forms, what mattered in your app?

35:22 – Guest answers the question.

36:01 – Panelist: Lazy Loading. In some apps lazy loading doesn’t make sense in all areas. You don’t always have to use.

36:53 – Guest: Yes, when you work for your employer you sometimes have more time available. When you have a startup it’s a race. Your startup doesn’t have any money.

37:24 – Panelist: You had money?

37:33 – Guest: You have to try new things and makes things right. When users really start really using your application. You can fix everything and make the perfect app or you can learn new things about your users. What problems do that have?

38:50 – Panelist: Question asked.

39:40 – Guest answers question.

40:38 – Protractor.

41:51 – Problems that you/we ran into.

42:21 – Panelist: “We” are using Test Cafe.

42:58 – Cypress.

44:10 – You do not need web driver and...

44:29 – Test Cafe is free.

44:39 – I would pay ten’s of dollars to use a piece of software. It’s a budget buster.

45:15 – Sounds like you guys have a great product there.

45:24 – Thanks for having us.

45:30 – Chuck: Let’s go to picks!

45:39 – Code Badges!

46:13 – Picks!

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Adventures in Angular Documenting your Codebase with Compodoc - AiA 394
Adventures in Angular AiA 281: The IAN Stack with Brooks Forsyth
Adventures in Angular BONUS: How Jason Weimann Became a Game Developer
Adventures in Angular Data Mocking with Dave Cooper - AiA 427
Adventures in Angular The 3 Essentials for Successful Job Outcomes - BONUS
Adventures in Angular Standalone Structure with Nx - AiA 372
Adventures in Angular AiA 150: What's New with Ionic with Mike Hartington
Adventures in Angular Mastering Open Source Contributions with Santosh Yadav - AiA 411
Adventures in Angular Navigating Technical Hurdles: Exporting Invoices to PDF and Maintaining Rich Text Formatting - AiA 412
Adventures in Angular 020 AiA Structuring Code in an AngularJS App with Dan Wahlin
Adventures in Angular Comparing Angular and React in 2023 - AiA 376
Adventures in Angular AiA 236: Getting Deeper into then CLI with Dave Müllerchen
Adventures in Angular 033 AiA Elementor with Andres Dominguez
Adventures in Angular Managing and Capturing Errors in Angular ft. Philipp Kief - AiA 325
Adventures in Angular 056 AiA Server Rendering with Angular with Jeff Whelpley and Patrick Stapleton
Adventures in Angular 001 AiA The Birth of Angular
Adventures in Angular Cross Platform Angular with Richard Sithole - AiA 425
Adventures in Angular BONUS: How to Crush Your Biggest Goals in 2021
Adventures in Angular 088 AiA Angular Style Guides
Adventures in Angular Getting the Right SignalR with Andrew Evans - AiA 338
Adventures in Angular 092 AiA webpack with Sean T. Larkin
Adventures in Angular 065 AiA News From AngularConnect
Adventures in Angular AiA 001: The Birth of Angular
Adventures in Angular AiA 301: Community — Leaving Politics Out Of It
Adventures in Angular UI Libraries, Buy or Build? - AiA 393
Adventures in Angular AiA 208: From Custom Webpack Build to Angular CLI with Martin Jakubik
Adventures in Angular Profiling Angular Apps with Gil Fink - AiA 430
Adventures in Angular 041 AiA TypeScript with Dan Wahlin
Adventures in Angular AiA 180: Angular Today with Stephen Fluin
Adventures in Angular AiA 228: Issues with the Title, Front End Web Dev
Adventures in Angular AiA 222: 10 Lessons Learned in Enterprise Angular Development with Chaz Gatian
Adventures in Angular AiA 217: Mastermind Groups for Startups, Consulting & Career Growth with Sean Merron
Adventures in Angular Choosing the Right Tooling with Jared Youtsey - AiA 342
Adventures in Angular Responsive Angular Components ft. Miroslav Jonas - AiA 320
Adventures in Angular The ESLint NGRx Plugin - AiA 330
Adventures in Angular How to Stay Current - AiA 322
Adventures in Angular Chuck's Journey and Top End Devs Going Forward - AiA 332
Adventures in Angular How to Get Hired at a FANG Company - BONUS
Adventures in Angular AiA 244: Kubernetes, Docker and Devops with Jessica Deen LIVE from Microsoft BUILD
Adventures in Angular TypeScript Mixins - AiA 327
Adventures in Angular AiA 246: Migrating Material: AngularJS -> Angular with Michael Prentice
Adventures in Angular How to Get a 60% Performance Gains with Push Pipe featuring Michael Hladky - AiA 315
Adventures in Angular AiA 248: Perfume.js with Leonardo Zizzamia
Adventures in Angular Integration Testing Routed Angular Features with Lars Brink - Part 1 - AiA 314
Adventures in Angular Interesting Facts and Features of the Angular Router with Andrei Gatej - AiA 311
Adventures in Angular AiA 249: What's New in Version 8 With Minko Gechev
Adventures in Angular Cross Platform Angular with Richard Sithole - AiA 309
Adventures in Angular AiA 250: Adventures in 10x
Adventures in Angular AiA 253: Upgrading AngularJS to Angular with Sam Julien
Adventures in Angular 097 AiA Angular 2 Tips with Pascal Precht
Adventures in Angular AiA 258: Angular Architecture with Manfred Steyer
Adventures in Angular AiA 259: Ngrid with Shlomi Assaf
Adventures in Angular AiA 260: NgRx, The Mystical Machine, with Wes Grimes
Adventures in Angular AiA 265: Progressive Enhancements with Ire Aderinokun
Adventures in Angular 098 AiA Azure Functions Portal with Chris Anderson and Ahmed ElSayed
Adventures in Angular BONUS: Continuing Your Learning Journey by Finding Mentors as an Influencer
Adventures in Angular AiA 216: Building a Complete Web Application from Scratch Alone with Amir Tugendhaft
Adventures in Angular AiA 267: JavaScript Performance with Tammy Everts
Adventures in Angular The Angular Developer’s Nx Handbook - AiA 350
Adventures in Angular AiA 270: JAMstack Conf SF with Mandy Michael & Shawn Erquhart
Adventures in Angular AiA 304: What is a Top 5% Developer?
Adventures in Angular AiA 303: How to Make an Impact on the Development Community
Adventures in Angular AiA 302: Angular 11 on 11/11
Adventures in Angular AiA 231: Why Angular Developers Should Learn RxJS
Adventures in Angular AiA 272: Adventures in Angular Still at RxJS Live
Adventures in Angular 066 AiA How To Build Directives Around Another JavaScript Library with Uri Shaked
Adventures in Angular AiA 274: Building with Angular Fire with Jamie Perkins
Adventures in Angular AiA 275: From Zero to Top of the App Store on Ionic: Seed to Spoon with Dale Spoonemore
Adventures in Angular AiA 299: Working with Google Maps on Angular with Katerina Skroumpelou
Adventures in Angular AiA 300: The 300th Episode
Adventures in Angular AiA 278: Working From Home
Adventures in Angular AiA 305: How to Stay Current
Adventures in Angular AiA 167: Deploying Angular
Adventures in Angular AiA 298: Progressive State Management with NGXS with Aliaksei Kuncevic
Adventures in Angular 042 AiA Dependency Injection and Change Detection with Victor Savkin
Adventures in Angular AiA 296: Angular vs React: What Grad Students Pick 100% of the Time with Asaad Saad
Adventures in Angular 094 AiA ng-conf 2016 Live!
Adventures in Angular 051 AiA The Angular 1 Compiler with Tero Parviainen
Adventures in Angular AiA 290: Angular Performance with Christian Liebel
Adventures in Angular AiA 230: Smart 404 Pages with Vitalii Bobrov
Adventures in Angular AiA 288: Getting your Components to Communicate with Ravi Veliyat
Adventures in Angular AiA 129 How do I Start My Single Page App?
Adventures in Angular 048 AiA The Road to NG2
Adventures in Angular AiA 280: Where is Angular Headed? with Tracy Lee
Adventures in Angular 117 AiA Hot Loading and Time Travel with Tero Parviainen
Adventures in Angular AiA 284: Progressive Web Apps using Angular with Maxim Salnikov
Adventures in Angular 090 AiA NativeScript Part 2 with TJ VanToll
Adventures in Angular AiA 282: Fauna and Cloud Databases with Evan Weaver
Adventures in Angular AiA 279: Angular for Enterprise-Ready Web Apps with Doguhan Uluca
Adventures in Angular 078 AiA NG Beta with Brad Green, Miško Hevery, and Igor Minar
Adventures in Angular AiA 271: Adventures in Angular at RxJS Live
Adventures in Angular AiA 277: Is Angular Declining?
Adventures in Angular AiA 126 Incrementally Upgrading an Application to Angular 2 with Danny Blue
Adventures in Angular 036 AiA Protractor with Julie Ralph
Adventures in Angular 019 AiA Microsoft Tooling with Mads Kristensen
Adventures in Angular AiA 276: The 10 Commandments of Angular Development Christian Lüdemann
Adventures in Angular AiA 238: Angular State w/ NgRx with Mike Ryan
Adventures in Angular 069 AiA Angular 2 Documentation with Pascal Precht
Adventures in Angular AiA 255: The Elephant in the JS Community
Adventures in Angular AiA 273: A Real Look at an Enterprise Application with Juan Stoppa
Adventures in Angular AiA 269: Data Mocking with Dave Cooper
Adventures in Angular AiA 266: Creating Content in Portuguese with Loiane Groner
Adventures in Angular AiA 268: Secure Angular Apps with Philippe De Ryck
Adventures in Angular AiA 263: The JAM in JAMstack with Tara Z. Manicsic
Adventures in Angular AiA 252: Saying Goodbye to Angular CLI with Hans Larsen
Adventures in Angular 084 AiA Angular Material 2 with Jeremy Elbourn
Adventures in Angular AiA 245: CosmosDB with Steve Faulkner LIVE at Microsoft BUILD
Adventures in Angular AiA 257: The Easiest Way to use Angular Elements with Tomas Trajan
Adventures in Angular AiA 243: Lazy loading in Angular (with Angular Elements) with Juri Strumpflohner
Adventures in Angular AiA 215: “Progressive Web Apps” with Aaron Gustafson / Live at Microsoft Ignite
Adventures in Angular AiA 235: Functional Programming with Angular, NgRx with Raul Jimenez
Adventures in Angular AiA 201: AI & Angular with Asim Hussain
Adventures in Angular AiA 233: Getting Serious with Schematics with Tomas Trajan
Adventures in Angular AiA 232: The Seinfeld Episode
Adventures in Angular AiA 206: The Origin of JavaScript with Brendan Eich
Adventures in Angular AiA 291: Azure Cognitive Services with Ankit Sharma
Adventures in Angular AiA 219: Testing Angular Applications with Michael Giambalvo
Adventures in Angular AiA 212: “Angular Console” with Dan Muller
Adventures in Angular BONUS: How Jason Weimann Became a Game Developer
Adventures in Angular AiA 211: “Azure Pipelines” with Ed Thomson LIVE at Microsoft Ignite
Adventures in Angular AiA 218: Developer Freedom with Charles Max Wood
Adventures in Angular 115 AiA Polymer and Web Components with Angular 2 with Rob Dodson
Adventures in Angular 110 AiA Special Angular 2 Final is Released
Adventures in Angular AiA 202: "Programming education/education research" with Neil Brown
Adventures in Angular 104 AiA Forms with Justin Schwartzenberger
Adventures in Angular 103 AiA New Developer Problems
Adventures in Angular AiA 181: Doing More with Less and Router-First Architecture with Doguhan Uluca
Adventures in Angular AiA 199: RxJS with Ben Lesh, Tracy Lee, and Jay Phelps
Adventures in Angular 102 AiA Angular and WordPress with Ryan Sullivan and Roy Sivan
Adventures in Angular AiA 195: Angular for Microsoft Developers with Sahil Malik
Adventures in Angular 099 AiA Firebase and AngularFire2 with David East and Jeff Cross
Adventures in Angular 101 AiA The State of NG2 with Rob Wormald and Stephen Fluin
Adventures in Angular 086 AiA Being a Good Open Source Citizen
Adventures in Angular 093 AiA Angular Universal Patterns with Jeff Whelpley
Adventures in Angular 085 AiA Looking at Angular 2 with Ben Nadel
Adventures in Angular AiA 197: Bazel with Torgeir Helgevold
Adventures in Angular 077 AiA 2016 Year Predictions
Adventures in Angular 075 AiA Pragmatic Future-Minded Angular with Dylan Johnson
Adventures in Angular 074 AiA NativeScript with Burke Holland and TJ VanToll
Adventures in Angular 068 AiA Reactive Programming with Jeff Cross and Rob Wormald
Adventures in Angular 064 AiA Ionic with Matt Kremer and Mike Hartington
Adventures in Angular 061 AiA ng-book with Ari Lerner
Adventures in Angular 046 AiA Preparing for NG2 with Shai Reznik
Adventures in Angular 053 AiA Angular Apps That Scale with Ben Drucker
Adventures in Angular 043 AiA Falcor with Jafar Husain
Adventures in Angular 037 AiA Animations with Matias Niemelä
Adventures in Angular AiA 193: Angular Libraries with Juri Strumpflohner
Adventures in Angular 032 AiA Angular UI Router with Craig McKeachie
Adventures in Angular AiA 289: Put A Form Around It with Sani Yusuf
Adventures in Angular 035 AiA The Current State of Angular with Brad Green, Igor Minar, and Miško Hevery
Adventures in Angular 009 AiA ng 2.0 with Rob Eisenberg
Adventures in Angular 025 AiA Testing with Ward Bell
Adventures in Angular 022 AiA Form Validation with Kent C. Dodds
Adventures in Angular 003 AiA GDEs
Adventures in Angular 008 AiA Angular & WebGL with Sean Griffin
Adventures in Angular AiA 262: Firebase Features with David East
Adventures in Angular AiA 283: Web Components for Cross Framework Development with Nishu Goel
Adventures in Angular 114 AiA Life Lessons from Angular Air - Jeff Whelpley - Angular Remote Conf

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